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FlyBoyTim

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I just picked up my new Beretta 1301 Tactical in FDE. Yes, it’s expensive, but I can see the reasons. I’ll post my impressions as time and use go on. I’ll also compare to my Remington 11/87, as unfair a comparison as that may be in light of the price difference.

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vl5150

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I had a Beretta 1201 for many years and absolutely loved it.  One of the few I regret selling.  Just a reliable shotgun and well built.  I'm not sure about the 1301, but mine had Benelli DNA so it was good to go provided the shotgun didn't get loaded down with too much weight.
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FlyBoyTim

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I’m no expert about Benelli DNA, but you’re referring to the 1201, correct?

Anyway, yes, one of the attractive features of the 1301 is its light weight. No hangy stuffy on shotty... 🤪
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When you shoot it, please report back with a range report. I've been eyeing my buddy's Benelli M4, but I've been resisting so far.  
I've been getting back into Berettas recently with my post here on the 92 compact I just rebuilt.  Beretta being a family owned company has kept their quality up from the looks of it.

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Oh, most certainly. And I saw your 92 posts. 👍 This is my first Beretta. I just saw too many positive reports on it, and from trainers like Tim Chandler, who see it all.
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David Armstrong

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Another proud member of the 1201 family here.  that was the autoloader I used when I was doing a lot of my work training others.  Super fast and reliable as heck.  Used the 870 for work as a pump, but the 1201 was my go-to gun for demos and showing off a bit<G>!
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FlyBoyTim

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So David. The more I learn about defensive shotgun use, the more my dogma seems to change. Demos and showing off notwithstanding, what would you say about the old adage of pump vs auto? 🤔

Comparing a pump to a fast, reliable auto, with just speed between shots and reliability in mind leaves out other factors involved in a defensive shotgun use. First up is having a lightweight weapon to swing into action quickly. Second, is how easy is it to go from stored condition to ready to fire condition? Third is how easy is it to go from stored to ready after screwing something up in between?

All the above is about getting on target fast rather than slow. Considering the devastating power of the 12 gauge with 00 buck, that quality trumps round capacity and reloading ability, IMHO. And then there was the double barreled coach gun with exposed hammers.... 🤪
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Some of that really is training doctrine.  First, I was regularly able to get 5 shots a second out of my 1201, never could duplicate that with the pump.  Now, I don't know why anyone would ever need 5 shots a second from a shotgun, but it was fun!  I liked the 1201 for carrying and bringing into action because it is so light.  The downside, of course, is that it could be sort of brutal when firing compared to a heavier gun.  For storage/firing issues, I taught the first thing to do with your shotgun when getting ready to fight was to get a round into the chamber.  Doing that when going into the situation eliminates that problem of figuring out when to go to the ready.  Finger off trigger and safety off.  When done get the round out of the chamber.  I only considered the safety as usable in narrow situations when I needed to make the weapon safe but did not have the opportunity to clear the chamber (transition to handgun, closing with suspect to cuff, stuff like that).  So with the pump the first thing I did when grabbing it was pump it, with an auto the first thing was to run the bolt.  When done get the round out of the chamber ASAP.  If something came up in between use the safety.  Did that make sense??
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FlyBoyTim

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That makes sense.
So which in general is faster, pumping the slide or racking the bolt? 🤔
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David Armstrong

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Assuming all other things being equal, probably pumping it as that leaves the hands and arms in a firing position.  Running the bolt requires you to readjust for a good grip after you do it since one hand or the other has to go to the bolt then go to the firing position.
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“I would have shot the bad guy before he shot me, and two or three times at that, but I racked the bolt too late, Dangit!” 😡 “Shoulda hadda pump”.... 😳
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I also have a 1301, Great shotgun but has some negative features,first is the extra recoil from heavy loads and the worst feature is the carrier button this is located on the side of the receiver and next is it's helper located near the hinge of the shell lift.
These add Additional steps to chamber and load,and if accidentally hit you can jam the magazine or cycle and get no feed.
I would never consider grabbing a beretta for a hostile incounnter. Nothing beats the Remington 1187 & Mossberg 930 I don't own a FN MK1 or Benelli M4, But that was my next question?
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Thanks. Looks like you have it set up for long range slugs. Nice! 
As to the bolt release, I see you've installed the $9 fix from Beretta. Your problem is solved.
Mine is the new version, 1301 Part 2. It has that "accidentally drop a round on the carrier" issue solved with a newly designed bolt release/shell latch release, seen in the picture attached. This isn't my shotgun, but the same version. You can look at the picture of mine above to see the same bolt release too.

As to the lightness/recoil situation, you can't alter physics. Personally, I'd rather have a lighter shotgun to swing into aiming position quickly over heavy and less prone to recoil. I should be able to reliably shoot low recoil loads in the 1301 as well. I'm taking it to the range today and will report back. 

As to "additional steps to chamber and load", I'm not sure what you mean by that. Beretta recommends storing the 1301 with the hammer dropped. From that condition, pulling back the bolt will hold the bolt in the open condition. Not so with the hammer already back prior, but that's ok with me, I'll store it hammer down. Once in bolt open condition, all you have to do is drop in a round like any other shotgun and press the bolt release to make armed. Unless I'm missing something.

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FlyBoyTim

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BTW, how accurate is your 1301 with slugs????
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David Armstrong

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There are no additional steps to load if you keep the gun in the proper ready condition, at least that is the case for the 1201.  Just keep a shell on the lifter and all you have to do is run the bolt.  Yes, the gun can beat on you with heavy loads but that is a fair trade-off IMO for the light weight.  If that is a concern for a fighting gun you can use the assorted reduced recoil "tactical" loads that are available and that I tend to recommend for a fighting shotgun.
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