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ADMIN:  I am posting this story here to start a discussion on which handguns would  be safest around children.  Some may remember the toddler sitting in the shopping cart at Wal-Mart and his mother was standing there talking to someone when the toddler took a handgun out of his mothers purse and somehow pulled the trigger striking the mother and killing her.  In this story a 3 you finds a gun and somehow pulls the trigger and shoots a 9 yo in the arm.   They never give the model or type of handguns in these stories, never.   So I think a discussion on which models would be safest in a home with young children would come up with some suggestion.  Yes, I know the guns should be put away so the children can't get them but that is not what is happening and not the discussion so don't waste the ink on it for purpose of this discussion.  The discussion is when common sense safety is ignored and a child gets a gun which models would be most difficult for a child to discharge and which ones would be the easiest.  We have a lot of knowledge here on this site and I am sure we can come up with a consensus. Here is the story to start the discussion:

A 9-year-old girl was injured when her 3-year-old cousin accidentally shot her on Chicago's West Side, according to police.

The girl was shot in the right arm Saturday morning with a gun the boy found in a home in the city's East Garfield Park neighborhood, cops told the Chicago Sun-Times.

The girl's parents took her to a hospital where she listed in stable condition, police told the Sun-Times.

Authorities said they were trying to locate the owner of the gun. They said no one had been arrested.

"It's an ongoing investigation," Harrison Police District Cmdr. Kevin Johnson told the Chicago Tribune.

Neighbors told the newspaper they did not know the girl had been shot because they did not hear any gunfire. They said they had "no clue" what was happening.

 


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My thought would be a revolver with a 5+ pound trigger pull.
The length of pull and the 5+ would be hard for a small child
to over come.

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IIRC, the Beretta Mdl 70 had 3 different safeties that could be activated by the owner.  That might be an option, multiple redundant safeties that the owner could engage.  Of course, that would still require the owner to engage each of them!
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I think most all these pistols involved are small inexpensive one with no safeties other then the trigger lever.   Has to be or how can a toddler discharge the gun?   Of course this can be overcome simply by not having a round in the chamber as a small child could not charge the chamber.   

As a few suggestions on models proves the issue is in being able to pick up the gun and fire it.   Prevent that and you have maybe saved a life.   I think everyone would agree that any extra step in the deployment of a firearm can be over come with training so keeping an empty chamber is not going to greatly imped the owner of using the weapon for self defense in the home if their first step in training is to rack the slide.  

For carry in the purse I recommend an empty chamber for women who have children in the home.  When at home you may even go a step further and not have the magazine in the gun but right along beside it.  It is easy to take the magazine out when you get home.  Unlikely a young child can put in a magazine, rack the slide and then fire a gun.   Older children may and your defense there has to be trigger locks and educating the children.  

As for a home handgun that is safe.   A 1911 has three safeties and I could make it four simply by keeping the magazine out of the gun but beside it.  A child would have to pick up the gun, have 1.hands large enough to engage the Grip safety 2. Click of the slide safety 3. Cock the hammer back 4. Keeping the magazine out of the gun and an empty chamber when in the home can deter even older children as a 1911 slide takes some strength to rack back and even then it has to be rack all the way to the rear which take so training for many adults.

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A compact .45 or 357sig or .40 carried with the chamber empty. Little hands and that spring and small slide...

Next best would be something like a s&w shield with safety, as the safety is pretty hard to bumble off ignorantly and rapidly for a non shooter. Or maybe a 1911 with the grip and thumb safeties.

Best safety is vigilance in where you leave your pistol, and how you raise your spawn.
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Just got this in UPS today. It will give me quick access and peace of mind as my little guy grows and learns how to use and respect firearms properly.

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Very good idea when kids are in the home.   
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