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5pointstar

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What I have been debating this and curious what others thought, what is the best choice for defense. I'm really only thinking about 12 gauge but will open this to 20 gauge as well.

I'm pretty set on 00 buck as my primary defensive load, I'm also really partial to Federal Premium with Flitecontrol wad. But I'm also trying to find a slug I like a lot. Also I've been reading a lot about 4buck's performance.
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I like slugs, buck shot, buck & ball and #5 or 6 for up close and personal work.
And plenty of anything within reach[biggrin].

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For the home pretty much any of the buckshots will work fine.  Outside the home I tend to stick with 00 buck.  I'm not that fond of slugs unless that is the only weapon available.  If you want to throw one solid chunk of lead a rifle is the way to go.  I tend to stick with the reduced recoil stuff for personal protection.  My $.02.
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I am using 12 gauge 3" turkey load 4 shot plated pellets with extended ported choke tube @ close range out to 30 yards very lethal set up . Shooting benelli m4 . For home defense would be devasting .choke tube called dead dog for coyote.By primos co. Extra tight pattern.
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Federal 132-00 or 132-1B in buckshot.

Federal low recoil slugs.

But at conversational distances you can use bulk 15 pack from Walmart or most anything else.

In 20 gauge I use Remington #1 Buck but also #3.  5/8 oz or so slugs.

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I've pretty much settled on #4 Buck for my 12 gauge and 20 gauge guns that I keep on hand for any intrusion of my home.
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I always recommend using what Local LE uses.   This impresses a jury if you ever end up in a civil case filed by the perps baby's momma.   Another good option is if it has "Home Defense" or "Personal Defense" printed on the box.   Your attorney will pass the box around to the jury and after they read the box he will make a comment to the effect of " Even the ammunition my client used is for defense, which is the only reason my client fired his/her gun in this incident.

Now, you may ask how I know this.   AI&P stands for Advocate Investigation & Protection which is the Investigative Agency I own.   I primarily do Criminal Defense but some civil. I often sit at the Defense table and assist in jury selection.  During the trial I watch the jury while the attorney questions witnesses.  Their back is to the jury so they can never see the jury.  I observe their reactions.  When the attorney gets back to the table I hand him/her notes as to how the jury reacted to a certain question or answer.   So, I know how important it is to "Imprint" something on the mind of a Jury.   I do this for a living folks.

My carry ammo is "Winchester Personal Defense" for this very reason.  It is no better or worse or different then any other brand of quality ammo but here is the good part.   If the Prosecutor or Plaintiffs Attorney, depending on what type of case it is, was to make an issue about the type of ammo and what is printed on the box and us showing it to the jury they would be shitting in their own nest with the jury.  It totally takes them away from their case and makes the jury focus on the fact that I was using "Defense Ammo" which of course is bases of entire defense that I fired in Self Defense or maybe Defense of a third person, depending on the case.  It is a win win all around for my case.

But what ever you use make sure it does not have Zombie, Devastator, Terminator or some silly mess like that on it.   You are already going to be painted as some kind of blood thirsty gun nut so don't play the part.

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I always recommend using what Local LE uses.   This impresses a jury if you ever end up in a civil case filed by the perps baby's momma.   Another good option is if it has "Home Defense" or "Personal Defense" printed on the box.   Your attorney will pass the box around to the jury and after they read the box he will make a comment to the effect of " Even the ammunition my client used is for defense, which is the only reason my client fired his/her gun in this incident.

Now, you may ask how I know this.   AI&P stands for Advocate Investigation & Protection which is the Investigative Agency I own.   I primarily do Criminal Defense but some civil. I often sit at the Defense table and assist in jury selection.  During the trial I watch the jury while the attorney questions witnesses.  Their back is to the jury so they can never see the jury.  I observe their reactions.  When the attorney gets back to the table I hand him/her notes as to how the jury reacted to a certain question or answer.   So, I know how important it is to "Imprint" something on the mind of a Jury.   I do this for a living folks.

My carry ammo is "Winchester Personal Defense" for this very reason.  It is no better or worse or different then any other brand of quality ammo but here is the good part.   If the Prosecutor or Plaintiffs Attorney, depending on what type of case it is, was to make an issue about the type of ammo and what is printed on the box and us showing it to the jury they would be shitting in their own nest with the jury.  It totally takes them away from their case and makes the jury focus on the fact that I was using "Defense Ammo" which of course is bases of entire defense that I fired in Self Defense or maybe Defense of a third person, depending on the case.  It is a win win all around for my case.

But what ever you use make sure it does not have Zombie, Devastator, Terminator or some silly mess like that on it.   You are already going to be painted as some kind of blood thirsty gun nut so don't play the part.


Excellent information, and advice, from someone's that "been there and done that".  Thanks for the post.
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To add to what JD said, I also recommend staying away from the "magnum" loads for much the same reason.  You don't gain much, if anything, from the extra power and the perception problem can be a bit problematic in court.
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I have Winchester PDX1's in my Ithaca 37. I have a lot of '0' Buck I bought at Sportsman's Guide a while back, plus lots of slugs of various types. If I run through all that, I have several boxes of steel leftover from when I hunted ducks. I think I might even have a box of birdshot.....
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