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ADMIN:   If they are leaving then they are not a threat to you and you can't shoot them.  Let me put it another way.   If they are leaving then they are not a threat to you and you can't shoot them.  Any Questions?   This Home Owner is about to find out the hard way. Here is the story:

A Minnesota homeowner is facing manslaughter charges after he told police he shot at a group of men who had tried breaking into his home, and one of the suspects later died in the hospital.

David Allen Pettersen, 65, called police around 7 a.m. Saturday to report a possible burglary and shooting at his home in Fieldon Township, just south of Madelia. According to the charging documents, Pettersen told the dispatcher he fired his handgun at a gray car that was leaving his property after an attempted burglary.

A deputy responding to the call found the car 2 miles north of Pettersen's home, with three people inside. One of the passengers, 19-year-old Nicolas Thomas Embertson, had a gunshot wound and later died at Madelia Hospital.

Another passenger, 18-year-old Kyle Thomas Nason, had a broken ankle. He told police that he, Embertson and a third man -- 18-year-old Cornelius Ayers -- were at Pettersen's home to "case" it for a future burglary.

Nason said his friends gave him a boost onto the second-level deck of the home, and that he injured his ankle when making the 10-foot jump back down. He told police he heard two loud bangs as Embertson drove away from the home. As they were headed down the driveway, Embertson said, "I think I've been hit," before losing consciousness. Nason continued driving the car until they were stopped by the deputy responding to Petterson's 911 call.

Pettersen told investigators he was in bed when he heard someone trying to open a door to the deck. He saw the person jump from the deck and crawl toward a car, at which point he grabbed a .45 caliber handgun and tried to shoot the tires of the car. Pettersen said he was about 10 feet from the car when he fired two or three shots.

Pettersen was arrested and booked into the Watonwan County Jail. Monday morning, he was charged with second-degree manslaughter and reckless discharge of a firearm.

"The law does say a self-defense law, but what we've gathered so far, we feel we have enough to charge him with second-degree manslaughter," Watonwan County Chief Deputy Jeremy Nachreiner told KEYC-TV in Mankato.

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I can't help but feel bad for the shooters that get themselves in a bind when something like this happens, but we all need to realize that we're not living in the old days of the "wild west" and that there are legal consequences to our actions, and in these types of cases the consequences are going to be very bad and very expensive. I know there are many training courses that teach responsible self defense tactics, but I'm of the opinion that the percentage of gun owners who actually take these courses are woefully low. I don't have the answer on how to get the message out to the masses, but the more it can be talked about at gun ranges, local gun stores, police sponsored seminars etc. sure couldn't hurt. And I'll have to get my political two cents in, and that has to do with the previous POTUS and the way he demonized guns. I am a believer that his anti-gun rhetoric, which was carried in blazing headlines by the liberal press, made a lot of people afraid to admit that they were gun owners, and therefor wouldn't talk in social circles about guns, or gun training, for fear of being looked down upon by their neighbors and friends. As I said that's just my two cents worth.
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Your post was worth far more then 2 cents Gary as your points are right on target (that's a pun).   We have to talk about it and this is why I post these stories.   This home owner did not wake up and think "I want to kill someone today".  He woke up to three perps trying to break in to his home.   He had no way to know they were just there to steal.   He had several things going on at once.  The most serious and one that takes away our ability to think was fear.   He also had other emotions, all that cloud our judgement, like anger and a built in desire to protect what is his.

Talking about this, thinking about this and as often as possible, running the scenarios through your mind about what you are going to do if "A" happens or if "B" happens and so on it the best thing any gun owner can do.  It is why we trained so hard in my line of work.   As an HRT Commander I was responsible not just for my actions but the actions of every team member and I took training to astronomical levels.   With every scenario I injected "Murphy Factors" and this forced Team Members to think and planted a response in their minds.  I beat this thought in them:

"If something happens that surprises you, you did not train hard enough" 

I feel for this home owner.  His Life is TARFU right now and the impact of this is going to last a life time.  He did wrong.  I doubt it was for any nefarious reason, he just did the wrong thing and is going to pay dearly.

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For me, as a long-time CCW trainer, the issue is pretty simple.  I teach my people that the only reason to shoot at someone is if there is no other reasonable way to prevent immediate harm to yourself or someone else.  No matter how mad you are, no matter what anyone has taken, the potential loss of resources (time, money, etc.) is so high it usually means you shouldn't do it.  By training to the "last resort" standard and using it in any situation the chance of things going wrong is greatly reduced.
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