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I think we tend to agree.  Something in 7.62 is now sort of a specialized platform, not an everyday Snuffy the Grunt weapon.  When I was in the primary place for the 7.62 was with the M60, but today even the SAW stuff is going to the smaller caliber.  We had a few M14s in the armory, but again it was more for something specialized as opposed to a general purpose rifle.  Heck, I think if you want to win a gunfight everybody should be issued a quad .50, but the logistics are a bit of a problem![tongue]
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We tend to agree on a lot.   That should concern you [smile]  I tend to be a dinosaur stopping around in dino shit and hate change as to often it is change for the sake of change or to generate revenue.   We both agree that Old School should never be discounted. 
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It's hard NOT to be a dinosaur when rifles like the M14 and cartridges like the 7.62 work so well, but that's where we find ourselves.  My dad is 72 now and was in the USMC during Vietnam and still maintains if the SHTF he will grab his M1A.  I roll my eyes as he can barely shoulder it now so he will cling to that belief until his last breath. If the SHTF his loadout weight of the rifle and ammo would guarantee his last breath, lol.  We're lucky that we can choose our guns and loads and can have the freedom to debate what we love in a forum like this.  As for the military, I don't have any skin in that game, but always hope that the trickle down effect helps to keep the ammo costs down of whatever they choose.

On another note, if we went with the British .280 intermediate round proposal that NATO (cough cough the US) rejected in the early 50's things would have been very different.  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.280_British
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Vl5150, thanks for the info on that British round and I clicked on the link and it was a grate read.   The Brits .303 Enfield is most produced bolt action Military rifle and fine shooter so they know their rifles.
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Vl5150

Have you considered a Mini 14 for your dad? Or perhaps a PSA47 that fires the Russian Short? How about an MForgery 1-7" twist with a 1-4X scope firing 75gr BTHP's?

He should be able to lift any of those and do some decent shooting. Just a thought.

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Chainsaw76  good ideas..I've given him several guns including a M4, an AK, and lots of other stuff.  Turned his nose at all of them even though he has them in his safe.  For him it's his all about his experience with the M14 in the Marines.  There's no replacing it, no convincing him otherwise, and no substitute for the 7.62.  And believe me I tried every which way to get his M1A from him.  It's a sweet preban with all TRW parts and a mint SAKO barrel that he bought in 1989. For him, if it's not the M1A it's the Garand, then the Springfield, then the M1 Carbine.  I inherited that traditionalism from him too, but I now train with the new stuff and have fun with the old.  [smile]

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I understanbd your fathers love as I am a Jarhead and at 17 I qualified with an M-14 in 1970.   When I get to old to handle my 870 for HD I will have a Stoeger 20ga coach gun by my bed.  I can't imagine any HD scenario where two rounds of 20 ga buckshot won't do the trick.  That gun is shorter then my 870 even with 20" barrel because there is no receiver.  It is also lighter.  It is my plan for when I consider myself an old man which would be about 95 years old [smile]
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Looks like maybe a 6.8x51mm
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