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cjw79

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Food for thought

Those shooters interested in tight patterns of buckshot might take the current ammunition situation as a time to consider what route to take in the future.

While Federal and Hornady make great use of flite control type wads if you don't already have the ammunition when the shortage hits beggars can't be choosers. One must use what one can find.

If you are okay with the patterns provided by regular plain Jane buckshot this isn't much of a problem. God knows we somehow "made due" for ages before flite control. If you are not okay with it then a choke or Vang Comp's barrel modification might be the solution to your problem.

Otherwise you could switch to slugs for defense which does open up another set of good and bad attributes. Louis Awerbuck said he personally used only slugs and he definitely knew more about defensive use of a shotgun than most of us.

Just my ramblings but thought I'd share.
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I always thought Louis was a great trainer, but I also always disagreed with that concept.  To me, if you are going to shoot one solid projectile the shotgun is not a particularly good choice for that.  Pretty much any common rifle will do that with less recoil, greater control, better range and higher capacity.  My $.02.
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I always thought Louis was a great trainer, but I also always disagreed with that concept.  To me, if you are going to shoot one solid projectile the shotgun is not a particularly good choice for that.  Pretty much any common rifle will do that with less recoil, greater control, better range and higher capacity.  My $.02.


I agree with you. My rant was aimed more for the person who relies on a shotgun for self defense and may not own a centerfire rifle.
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And I agree with you.[wink]  If all you have access to is a shotgun then the slug often becomes, by default, the choice.  The mission should drive the supply train, but sometimes the supply train dictates how to go about completing the mission.  I've said repeatedly through the years if I was in an urban environment and could only have one weapon it would be the shotgun with a good supply of buck and slugs, and over the years I ran across a number of people and a few agencies that swore the shotgun with slugs was the way to go.  Never understood it myself given the alternatives available to them.  Different strokes, as they say.
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The best load to have in a shotgun is the one that is in it when the door is kicked in [smile].   Of course we want to plan what is in it so I say use whatever your local PD or SO uses.  Any variation of 00 be 8 to 12 pellet would do.  I would not use slugs for HD as the dead perps babies momma attorney will have a field day with that and scare my Liability Company.   I am a target because I have $3 million of it.  Also, if I am outside and take fire I will be moving to cover and putting lead on threat as I move.  So a nice big 12 pellet pattern of 00 buck is what I will be slinging.  So I have no interest in flight control, have never even seen it.   In a pinch use what you got but if one got caught with out a good supply of ammo in every gauge and caliber you own then shame on that one.   Did they not learn from the aftermath of Sandy Hook?
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I bought up on the Flight Control LE some time back, but my choice has moved to full power 9 Pellet 00 buck. Let a shotgun be a shotgun...I am more than OK with the good old 1 oz. slug though.
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Currently, I amm using 00 buck managed recoil. I would have no problem using Turkey Loads indoors especially since my neighbors bedroom window is inline with our hallway. Hate to dust the old gal up with 00 buck or the like.

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I bought up a good supply of Federal LE132 but am short on slugs. I am trying to find a good supply to buy up but they are still selling out fast.
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Here is a trick for substitute/emergency slugs, in case anyone doesn't know it.  Take your regular shell, see if you can find out where the pellets start closest to the base.  At that location cut either a deep of groove into the plastic -or- completely through leaving just a few places where the plastic is still intact.  If you did it right when you fire the round the plastic cap will break free and keep the pellets inside the casing as it travels.  Viola...instant slug!  You probably want to feed them into the chamber one at a time, not through the magazine, as if they get squished the buffering can get out and it makes a heck of a mess...or so I've been told![rolleyes]
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That trick of rimming a shell killed many a deer during the Depression era.   And yes, as David says feed them in the chamber one at a time as they fine in single shot or double barrel shotguns but not so good in pumps or auto's.
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Have 500 rds. of Federal LE 133 in reserve and a bunch of 7-1/2 shot dove/target loads.(I load my HD gun with a target load up front as a noise maker. Might make a bad guy reconsider his situation)

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I have a lot of fun with a shot gun and try different ammo, and wind up with a bunch of extra ammo and I guess thats a good thing, same with other guns I have, keep a good stock pile and rotate it, like can goods, have fun with it all 
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