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lonewolf172

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Curious to hear what others have on their 12ga Bullpup or tactical. Right now I have an adjustable vertical grip but not real happy with it. Seems to twist the forearm slide a little when chamber a round. Got a china knockoff of the FAB PTK angled and now I'm a REAL believe in "buyer beware". Wouldn't even slide onto rail. Still thinking about the Mako FAB Defense PTK, but a real one, or Magpul AFG or none at all. Anyway wondering what others might be using.

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lee1959

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Pass, I will stick with my old fashioned , it has worked for me for 50 years and I just don't see any advantage which might justify changing the entire feel of my shotgun. 
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entropy

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Ditto. 
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David Armstrong

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As stated above, I'm not sure what advantage would be gained with something like this, so I'm a bit leery of changing.  But I may be the odd duck out, as it were.  I tried an AR carbine with a front grip and found it made me a bit slower and haad some other issues.  But some folks swear by them.  So with that I'd say if you are going to get one, yes, get a good one.  Magpul and Mako have a pretty good reputation, I'd think either would be a good choice.
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lonewolf172

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I'll probably get one just not sure which one. I like how the FAB PTK is rounded with nice grooves for gripping BUT I also like the MAGPUL AFG2 because it has a slight downward finger, for lack of a better word, to help racking the slide forward. I guess all and all it's preference. Just wish more guys with a bullpup or even tactical pump gave me their opinions.

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David Armstrong

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Only bullpup shotgun I've used was an old Hi-Standard 10-B (way ahead of it's time!) and as for a tactical pump, I've got a Scattergun Tech (sorry, JD, didn't know you were around back then) 870 that is as tactical as I could ever want.[smile]
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lonewolf172

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Well I decided to get the magpul.jpg  Magpul AFG2 for my Bullpup.
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Unobtanium

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I'm a fan of a traditional forend on a shotgun.

The VFG came about as a way to hold firearms with short handguards or exposed/hot barrels. I don't have a shotgun that really suffers from either. They surged back into popularity with the GWOT, because 7" M4 handrails were overburdened with a WML, PEQ, IR, and so forth and you really did have nowhere to put your hands. Civilians saw this, and jumped on board the "cool wagon". Thus the VFG was born into common use.

Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the VFG. I use it for a lot of things (interestingly, holding the weapon by it, is its least used function), but a shotgun just isn't the kind of weapon I do those things with.

Another thing I'd like to point out. If a weapon is involved in a self-defense shooting, the jury will see it. The jury consists of whoever your attorney couldn't get taken off of it. People form opinions. We know that a well-dressed defendant is less likely to be found guilty, and if they are, the sentence is often lighter, than one who presents in prison attire or shabbily. I feel the same can be said of firearms presented to the jury. Notice how "You're F***ed" was withheld from the jury during the trial of the officer who shot that man at the hotel? There's a reason for it. Now, I'm not saying a VFG is that "bad", I'm just saying that I don't need one for my shotgun to do as I want, and so I don't have one. Also, my "bedside" gun is not my M4 or my Benelli M4 Entry. It's a Super Nova pump gun. It works, I trust it, I don't mind a jury seeing it, if the worst came to the worst. Jsut a side-thought.
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I say no vetical grip of any kind on a pump.   Here is why.  We all tend to torgue our shotgun when pumping the action to rear.  Well, not those guys busting 100 our of 100 on doubles, but us mortal guys do.   I can look at your pump and tell which side you torgue to by the wear on the magazine tube.   I can also tell when I pull the forend tube assembly off you pump and point the action bars towards my eye.  One action bar is bent up and pointing out and the bent down and pointing in or vice-versa depending which side you torgue to.

So consider the above.  Put a vertical forend of any kind that protudes down below the direct line of action and that becomes a lever and that increased the torgue.  The damage to the action bars is magnified and soon the shooters is wondering why his action is not a smooth as it once was.   The reason is the action bars a bent and twisted and causing a slight bind. 

The straight down vertical forends are the worse and can reduce the life of your forend tube assembly ten fold.  The angled ones post above are not as radical but still serve as levers increasing the damaging affect on the action bars.

I am sure all here has seen post of guys on many Forums with a picture of twisted bent action bars and read all the comments of how to bend them back.   Thing is that once damged and you straighten them they return to the damaged state more rapidly.   One fix is a new forend tube assembly.   Or if you have been using any style vertical forend the fix is a new forend tube assembly and a new forend.

I will also add that there is an Remington Express model with the ATI Vertical Forend and when asked about from someone in the class at the factory the reply is always the same.   That the Express models are designed and marketed by others in the company and they have never ask the Law Enfocement Divison for input anything, then they always say, asked and answered lets move on.

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Da SWO

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In addition, most (all) VFG's are not designed to take the torsion stress on the attaching screw, IIRC there is a case where the VFG failed as the slide was racked forward and the shooter shot his hand (KSG?)

I have an AFG on a Benelli, but it's a semi-auto and isn't taking stress.
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It looks racy, tactical and like something that every high speed, low drag operator would have but in the end, they are no bueno.

It's the torquing that JD mentioned.  It warps the forend bars and that slows down your playing the trombone.  You will have to rack harder to overcome the warping and that makes the warping worse and then you'll have to rack even harder. 

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