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D.J. north woods

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Some  of the HCD followed me home, and today we went to the range.
I have been using Remington OOB since dippers. No more.
On a 25 yard range, with a cylinder bore, the Remington OOB put 16 holes
in the paper plate. Firing 10 rounds that is 16 out of 80 or 18.75%.
  The Hornady punched 32 holes in a paper plate for 40 %.
  These numbers are average from two tests.
  I have another 870 with IC bore and if this rain stops some,
  I will take it out and run the same tomorrow.
  Man I love this stuff.
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FlyBoyTim

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It is great stuff. Hornady packages the exact same ammo as Critical Defense (black colored hulls) and at least two other names. If it’s 9 pellet, 1600 FPS with their Versatite wad, it’s all the same. Shoots tight.

Here’s a couple of quick shots with it this last Monday from my 11/87 and 1301. I have others posted on my other threads. Not saying I’m a good shot, just saying this stuff prints some good groups. These are at 10 yards:

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D.J. north woods

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Mine are 8 pellet at 1600 FPS, Hornady #86240.
Hornady HCD is in my .357 carry gun.
The stuff is great. The 12 gauge was on sale plus
no shipping. Bet we won't see that again.
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FlyBoyTim

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Oh fiddlesticks, mine are 8 pellet too. My mistake. And number 86246. I’m still quite certain they are the exact same shells though. And that’s a great deal. Hope you bought a whole bunch... 👍
That’s my hand in the photos. 🤓

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DWilson

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Have you guys tried the Federal Tactical 00Buck with the "Flite Control" wad?   I got good results with the Hornady TAP loads, and the Remington Controlled recoil 8 pellet load, but when I tried the Federal Flite Control stuff, I actually had to get back beyond 15 yd. before the hole could be called a "pattern".
This was with a 14" 870 with a factory police barrel with low profile rifle sights, marked "modified".   I got useable patterns (10 inches) with this stuff from that 14 incher at 30 yd.  That's good, because I'm still trying to find a slug that it likes. 

Results were similar with a Mossberg 590A1 with an 18" Vang Comp barrel.

It's also priced right when you buy it in bulk online.  (3.95 per 5 rd box)
Give it a try with your gun before you make the decision on your standard load
YMMV of course.
Don
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D.J. north woods

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The Federal stuff is good. I have been a Hornady fan for a lot of years
and Federal is number one seller, I'll stay with Hornady. just about every thing
on my loading bench has Hornady printed on it. Just an old mans habit.

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FlyBoyTim

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I’ve got a bunch of the Federal LE 127 00. This is 9 pellet, 1325 FPS with the Flitecontrol wad. At 10 yards, it can be one hole, or it can open up, same gun. Many people like that tightness. I prefer a hand sized group at 10 yards myself.

Here’s some targets at 10 yards with the Federal 127:

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FlyBoyTim

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In comparison, here’s a different Federal load. 9 pellets, at 1325 FPS, but without the Flitecontrol wad:

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D.J. north woods

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Cut open a Hornady shell last night and that is really a different kind of wad.
I will add picture later today.
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FlyBoyTim

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Interesting! 🤔
Would you take a picture of both wads and the boxes they came from too?
And thanks for sacrificing shotshells in the name of science. 🤓
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D.J. north woods

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DSCF4243.jpg  DSCF4247.jpg  Here we go.  The Remington has buffer around the pellets, Hornady does not.
  Disregard the small grooves around the centers of the wads, my
hobby saw cut a little deep. 
The powder in the Remington was very compressed. 
The Hornady wad has only three (3) tabs around the top and the bottom half
is slightly tapered.
As you can see, nine (9) pellets for Remington and eight (8) for Hornady.
The Hornady wads have six (6) tabs. I like the way they look. 

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D.J. north woods

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I should have said the shell has six (6) taps, not the usual twelve (12).
I think the big thing is the tabs on the tops of the wads. They are just
bellow the top of the wad and open at the bottom, they do not blossom
like others. Sure different.
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FlyBoyTim

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Thanks DJ, your sacrifice in the name of science will not go unheeded. 🤓 Uncompensated 💵, but not unheeded.

Yes, they are a lot different. My study shows the goal being to keep the shot together as long as possible. I’ve seen more than one of the Versatite wads going through one big hole at 10 yards. All the shot stayed in the wad looking just like a slug would through the paper. The design is for the force of the exploded gun powder to open up the cutouts on the back of the wad as it exits the barrel. That creates an air brake to slow the wad down in flight and allow the shot to slither their way out of the wad slowly. The more typical wad has the rear portion without any slits to hold it together as it exits the barrel, with the front of the wad opening up to allow all the shot to fly free of the wad, that “blossoming” you refer to.

Is my understanding correct???

Dang, I love this group...
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D.J. north woods

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Same thing on Navy aircraft, large panels move out on 
each side of the plane slowing the plane down.
No need for compensation when your having this
much fun.
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FlyBoyTim

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Or like with some bombs:

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