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gralewaj

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I’m newer to the fighting shotgun scene and was lucky enough to stumble upon JD in my initial searches for an HD shotgun. He schooled me up well, I’ve bought two fighting shotguns from him (12ga HD and 20 ga tactical), personally built two 11-87 and one 870 HD guns and I’ve been passing this site and AI&P info on to everyone I know when I can, but I still have a few friends that are Mossberg 500/590 advocates and will not even touch an 870. I see some of the innovations on the 590s as interesting and useful, but are they really “better” than what the 870 does? What are your thoughts?

Some 500/590A1 innovations I’ve been told make it a better shotgun
Tang safety- plastic, but ambidextrous. Meh...
Slide release location- near side of trigger: when do you need your finger on the trigger to rack the slide without shooting?
Bayonet lug... really? Explain that in court...
Replaceable “screw in” ejector- are you replacing this often? Or in the field? Does it break a lot?
8+1 mag capacity- nice
Open mag well- alright, I’ve short loaded an 870 and had to learn about the flex tab system, but is it really better?
Aluminum (alloy) receiver , don’t like it but the bolt does lock into the steel barrel.

Did I miss anything? I like one standard feature on the more expensive weapon, not enough to sway me.

I prefer the 870, anyone have other thoughts?

-Alek



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entropy

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Tang safety- plastic, but ambidextrous. Meh... 


A sore spot with Mossberg owners for years; There are good metal replacements made, but Mossberg doesn't put one on as a factory part. 

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Slide release location- near side of trigger: when do you need your finger on the trigger to rack the slide without shooting? 


Remington's is, too. Come to think of it, all pumps have it near the trigger, because they are integral to the trigger group. A non-issue. 

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Bayonet lug... really? Explain that in court... 


Only on one model, and that is the same as the issue shotgun. Again, non-issue. 

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Replaceable “screw in” ejector- are you replacing this often? Or in the field? Does it break a lot? 


The one feature Mossberg has better then the 870; No, ejectors rarely 'go bad' on either design, but the Mossbergs' are much easier to change! 

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8+1 mag capacity- nice 


Yes, but at the cost of loss of barrel interchangeability-except the mag tubes unscrew, so they are easily changeable. I'm not big on that feature, I like the solid tubes on Remingtons. 

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Open mag well- alright, I’ve short loaded an 870 and had to learn about the flex tab system, but is it really better? 


The first time you have a shell get stuck between the top of the bolt and the nub on the 'carrier' on a 500, you'll appreciate the 870, with or without the flex tab. (but more so with!) 

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Aluminum (alloy) receiver , don’t like it but the bolt does lock into the steel barrel. 


A wash. As you said, the bolt and barrel lock together, both are steel. Nobody complains about the Ithaca 37 alloy receivers. 

I grew up shooting an 1100, my Dad's old duck gun, but it jammed far too often for me, actually how I got my start gunsmithing. I bought an 870 when I turned 18, and have owned at least one ever since. 

I don't hate Mossbergs; I have shot plenty of them, but when I buy, it's usually an 870. Or an Ithaca 37, I like them almost as much. 

BTW, welcome to the forum, Alek! 







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1K80

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I prefer the Ithaca 37. I like the easy loading and bottom ejection. It’s service record during the Vietnam war was excellent and it still rides in police cars today.
If I didn’t have my 37 I would use my High Standard.
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David Armstrong

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I've used them both quite a bit and seen a lot of both come through my classes.  If I was given the Mossberg I wouldn't feel at all under-equipped.  Having said that, the pump fighting shotgun I own is an 870.  
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Indigenous Irregular

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My thoughts are that if I have a choice I will use the shotgun I am most familiar with.

 
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Unobtanium

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Mossberg. Easier to work on. Both have QA/QC issues these days, though, so if "any" is the option between the two, I'd go an older 870P or Wingmaster from the 70's or so, if possible.
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Mark in Alger

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Welcome to the forum.

Both are fine weapons that would serve you well. There are minor differences, but it boils down to personal preference. Ford vs Chevy. Glock vs SA. I’d take either and if I found a deal on one that would be enough to make my decision[wink]
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