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What are you calling dummy rounds.   Are they snap caps or real shells with real lead but simply no primer?  This matters
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Thanks JD. They are these from Brownells with the soft, rubbery material in place of a primer:

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OK those are the right ones as they have to have the same weight of a real shell.   However they wear out and wear out faster with the semi-autos as the rims get eaten up and cause extraction issues.   Hand cycling a semi is almost useless and you can not mimic the force of action that occurs under fire.  So guys get issue and most always when they call me about them it is when they are hand cycling.   I tell them to take the weapon out and shoot it and all is fine.

As long as the weapon is functioning on the range there is no issue.  Also even with the 870 those dummies wear out and I have gone through a couple of cases of them.

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Thanks JD.
This gun is flawless at the range with full power ammo. What I’m trying to mimic is a malfunction from a bad round of ammo. I will randomly place one of these dummy rounds in with the real stuff. It’s a surprise when it goes, bang, bang, click. I should be able to simply rack in the next round while the bad one (the dummy) is extracted. Then press the bolt release to continue firing.

This makes me wonder what would happen with a real malfunction like this. I will find a brand new, non-messed up dummy round and try it.
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OK, found a pristine dummy round and it extracted easily. Thanks JD, I’ll have to throw the bad ones out and get another box. 👍
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Like I tell my girl friend constantly.   I love a happy ending.
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LOL 😂
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More range fun with the 11/87:
It now cycles low recoil Remington 00 buckshot. Imagine that... Ditto the LR Remington Sluggers too. 😎

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Do you think the difference in weight of these bolt handles affect the reliability of shotgun to cycle ammo at the margins???? 

You may not want to load marginal (barely cycles the action) ammo for defense, but you might want to shoot it to reduce the wear and tear on the shooter during practice. 🤔

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I don't think it matters as that is very little difference.   I have only fired 00 in my 11-87P as I seldom shoot it as my go to shotguns are 870's.  Considering the heavy loads I promise there is no difference and I doubt there will be with other loads if your weapon cycles them with the stock bolt handle.
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Thanks JD. 👍

Somewhere around 1200 FPS seems to be the cutoff point for this gun. It likes the Remington Reduced Recoil stuff. Perhaps it’s because it’s in the family. 🤔 And this is with either bolt handle. You’re probably right about the small difference in weight. But this gun does things that 11/87’s aren’t supposed to do, like cycle rounds when fired from the hip with no support against which to cycle. So anything I can do to assist that characteristic, even small things, is a plus to me.

Another consideration for me is how the larger Choate handle is more in the way. It can be operated more ways, but at the expense of hanging out there. As you know, this is an experimentation. I’m trying to reduce the footprint of this gun as much as possible. One reason the 870 is so popular is that it has nothing hanging out to snag on stuff. It’s very quick to bring into action. Let’s face it, that first shot is critical. Anything that speeds up getting on target first is a plus IMHO. 

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It serves the exact same function as the forward assist on an AR.  So it is need on an 11/87
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It serves the exact same function as the forward assist on an AR.  So it is need on an 11/87.”

Oh, don’t worry, I’ll have at least the stock bolt handle installed. 👍
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I found a lightweight, none permanent weapon light option for the 11/87 that doesn’t take up a lot of space. Have yet to shoot it on the gun, but it seems easy to operate with the left thumb, set up on the left side of the gun. 

This device can be placed either left side, right side, or underneath the barrel. Notice the cutouts at the three locations and how they marry up to the barrel. 

While made for the 870, it also fits perfectly the 1100 and 11/87’s as well.

Anyway, for just under $20, it’s another option. Bought mine from Midway USA because JD doesn’t carry it. 😢

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Tim, that's pretty much the same option I'm using for lighting,  except I screwed a short piece of Magpul plastic rail onto the forend at the same 10:00 position, on 3 870s and a Mossberg 590A1.   I tried those GG&G style light mounts, but discovered the short piece of rail is a smaller, lower profile application for the Inforce light, and it's a MUCH lower profile when you don't have the light attached.  The screws that come with the Magpul rails are big enough that they get a good bite into the plastic or wood of the forend and tighten down nicely.  
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