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I remember reading articles in law enforcement publications in the 1990s that argued using a plastic butt plate in place of a rubber recoil pad was better for patrol work.

The alleged advantages were:
Shorter length of pull without cutting the stock.
Less chance of the plate catching on a uniform.
shirt.

Did any of you run across any such guns in your travels?
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Yes, we had some 870's with Speed Feed stocks without recoil pads as they had what Speed Feed called the SWAT Plate.    Our Department load at the time was 2 3/4" Magnum 00 Buck 12 pellet.   I fired one of those shotguns one time and said the hell with this.   Also the Remington LE Folder had no recoil pad and again, I fired one round from one of those and never picked another one up.   

I am 66 now and seldom shoot a shotgun from the shoulder.  Don't have to as I am an instinctive shoot and look at my target and hit it.  However, I also have Mesa LEO's with Hydraulic Buffer tube and one with a Knoxx Gen I stock on it so I do shot those from time to time from the shoulder as the stocks eat up most of the recoil.

I have had enough abuse in my life (been married 4 times) so I don't need the abuse a 12ga with a plated sock gives.    I guess young big corn feed guys can shoot them but I wouldn't, not after getting a taste of them.

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I wouldn't want to run 3" or 2 3/4" magnum rounds but with all of the reduced recoil stuff out there now I'm wondering if a plate might work.

The hornady 00 buckshot reduced recoil (blue hull) LE load is one example I have run across; the first time I fired one I thought it was a squib.

As for the four marriages......damn brother; you must have been into pain[wink]
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I still use the 2 3/4" Magnum 00 as those 3 extra .32 caliber pellets could end the fight.

Yes, but I have been pain free for over 20 years.  It's great.

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My '90 Police Magnum wears it`s original brown waffle pattern pad, hard to call it a recoil pad as it has become quite age hardened. It does come up and into the pocket without any of the snag and drag of the much more cushioned and "sticky" supercell type pads. I do train with it on a regular basis but seldom for more than a box at a time...
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We had those waffle pads on our HRT shotguns.   Didn't need a ram as you could break a door down with one of those alleged recoil pads.   Today the Supercell is like putting a Marshmallow on the end of your stock.   Things sure changed from 40 years ago. 
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Are the supercell pads the ones Remington had a problem with around 2008-2010? I remember a bunch of 870s with recoil pads that leaked a sticky gunk in our armory at the time. All were recent purchases. Seems like remington sent out a replacement recoil pad that looked nothing like the leaking ones.
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No.  Those were the R3 Limbsaver pads that melted.


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I did some work with the Remington folder stock.  Didn't like it much but also didn't have much trouble with it.  These days it would be a different story, of course, since my shoulder is pretty much trash.  I'm surprised at the folks using the Magnum loads for a fighting shotgun.  I gave those up long ago as a standard round and went to the reduced recoil stuff.  Always kept a few 3" Magnums on hand for special occasions, sort of like a slug, but don't see much advantage to them for regular use.
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My shoulder is a bit bunged up too, and I really like the reduced recoil rounds
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David.  I seldom fire a shotgun from the shoulder.  Even back in the day.  It is generally along my rib cage and use my left foot to point it.   Very effective inside of 30 yards.  I have recoil reducing stocks now, the Mesa and Knoxx and they seem to work even better with magnum loads when I shoulder them.   The 2 3/4" 00 12 pellet is my go to.   Up until about 10 years ago I used the Speedfeed IV-S.  One thing people forget about the shorter LOP on many stocks is you reduce the surface area of the recoil pad and that increases the felt recoil.   Age, wear and tare means I don't should that stock when I am shooting one of my 870 with it on the gun.
 

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I had a short LOP stock on a Winchester 1300 Defender but found I didn't care for it. I switched back to the standard stock everyone says is to long and have been happy with it.

As for the short magnum rounds I think it depends on how you view using a shotgun today. School of thought A says tight pattern; flite control is the shiznits. School of thought B says more spread; increase your chance of hitting the target. More pellets is the way and flite control is shotgun heresy.

I find I'm more a School of thought B person. I like the Vang Comp pattern with standard 8 and 9 pellet loads (not flite control) which, for me, is just right for what I need.
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I am on  2.23 acers with the house about middle.  If I come outside with my shotgun and I am moving along the walls of the house and take fire I will be hauling ass to cover.  I want to put lead on threat as I move and 12 is better then 9 any day.   Also being I am moving I need a combat spread to the borders of my property and my Modified barrel give me that.  One pellet can end the fight or at least make him drop down and think about how bad he is hurt.  Thus he stops shooting at me and make it around house and to cover.  Once to cover my tactical plan is to call 911 and scream for help as I am to old for this shit.

I want one hole from a shotgun I would shoot a slug.  Which I don't so I don't and I sure don't want thigh patterns, just uniformed patterns.  Well as uniformed as 00 can get.

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And here I, at first thought that you were referring to the .223 round for a second... LOL... 
Excellent analysis. Coming from a Marine, I’m not surprised.... 
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We Jarheads ain't to smart but we think a lot about staying alive.  That's how one gets to be an Jarhead like me.
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