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Da SWO

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Looking to get my wife a new shotgun.  She is short (5ft nothing) so LOP and weapons lengths are an issue for her.

I was thinking about going with a short barrel shotgun for her, but don't know enough to make a decision.

It'll be a house/range gun.  25-30 yards (and the occasional 50 yard) engagement distance.

What, if anything, do I give up with a shortened barrel?
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DWilson

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Assuming you mean by "short barreled shotgun", that you're referring to an NFA weapon with a barrel less than 18".   I set up one for myself last year on an 870P with a 14" Rem. factory police barrel (from JD), marked "mod." with low profile rifle sights.    I shortened the stock to 12 1/2 inches LOP, and it works fine for me, assuming a proper mount, with head upright, a solid cheek mount and right elbow up to create a pocket, and left arm underneath to provide bone support.   If I tried to mount the gun the way I see untrained people doing it, the stock would be too short.

I gave up nothing with the 14" barrel, except for $200.00 for the federal tax stamp. Ha!  
The best load I've found so far is the Federal premium "Flite Control"  00 buck reduced recoil which gives me a useable sized pattern out to 30 yd.!    Hornady TAP, and Remington reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 buck provide good patterns as well, but the Fed. Flite Control stuff is just amazing.   

I have other shotguns that do better with slugs, but they have longer (18") barrels and better sights.  Even so, the short barreled gun will easily deliver slugs on a silhouette target at 50 yds, if I do my part and watch how I line up the sights.   

With shot sizes smaller than 00 buckshot, your patterns will be bigger, so you'll have to find the shot size, either smaller buckshot, or birdshot,  that you like for household chores and pattern it at appropriate distances.   I had some reservations about the short barrel, but in my case the barrel length itself doesn't seem to have much effect downrange, except to make it easier handling in tight spaces.   Hope this helps.
Don  
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FlyBoyTim

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Great stuff Don. Hey, have you seen the classes available from Suarez International. A personal friend and fellow pilot is in this video:

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Great stuff Don. Hey, have you seen the classes available from Suarez International. A personal friend and fellow pilot is in this video:



Good video, even if I am no fan of Suarez. I would like to add that the pictured guns are based on the Remington Tac-14, and are not SBS. Firearms fitting this pattern are not NFA weapons and require no $200 tax stamp.

They can be fitted with a wrist brace if desired, that makes management must easier for most. I chose not to equip mine with the brace, but I didn't need it for my purposes.
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FlyBoyTim

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Yes, that they are (non-NFA) good points.
I wish I could join you in the Tac-14 Club, but alas, I live in Commiefornia, who’s Overlords have decided that 14” shotgun barrels are too small for us mere minions. 😡😡😡
We can own the bird’s head grips, but the barrel has to meet the 18” minimum from the FA of 1934. Go figure.
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Da SWO

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Originally Posted by DWilson
Assuming you mean by "short barreled shotgun", that you're referring to an NFA weapon with a barrel less than 18".   I set up one for myself last year on an 870P with a 14" Rem. factory police barrel (from JD), marked "mod." with low profile rifle sights.    I shortened the stock to 12 1/2 inches LOP, and it works fine for me, assuming a proper mount, with head upright, a solid cheek mount and right elbow up to create a pocket, and left arm underneath to provide bone support.   If I tried to mount the gun the way I see untrained people doing it, the stock would be too short.

I gave up nothing with the 14" barrel, except for $200.00 for the federal tax stamp. Ha!  
The best load I've found so far is the Federal premium "Flite Control"  00 buck reduced recoil which gives me a useable sized pattern out to 30 yd.!    Hornady TAP, and Remington reduced recoil 8 pellet 00 buck provide good patterns as well, but the Fed. Flite Control stuff is just amazing.   

I have other shotguns that do better with slugs, but they have longer (18") barrels and better sights.  Even so, the short barreled gun will easily deliver slugs on a silhouette target at 50 yds, if I do my part and watch how I line up the sights.   

With shot sizes smaller than 00 buckshot, your patterns will be bigger, so you'll have to find the shot size, either smaller buckshot, or birdshot,  that you like for household chores and pattern it at appropriate distances.   I had some reservations about the short barrel, but in my case the barrel length itself doesn't seem to have much effect downrange, except to make it easier handling in tight spaces.   Hope this helps.
Don  


Helps a lot.

I have a Benelli M4 that she covets, sadly the finances just took a huge hit so this may get delayed, or I may just go with a short barrel and give her the gun.
Slugs and 00 are all I am shooting anyway.
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Germansheperd

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Why not build the ultimate for HER? Get a used $200-sum thing 870 20ga put on a 12” LOP stock with and 18.75” barrel. All legal, totally weildly, lethal and simple.
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spm1us

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Best deal going is Remington 870 Express 20 gauge youth model with wood stock and 21" barrel for $299.95 from Academy Sports. Then Remington had a $50 rebate, that just ended, netting $249.95 plus tax and background check fee if applicable. They also had many 12 gauge models on the rebate program, too. Academy sells many 870 Express for $299.95 every day. Can't beat a 20 ga 21" 870 for home defense - add a mag tube extension, swap the extractor if you feel the need and add a jumbo safety - DONE & GOOD to Go!
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Chainsaw76

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I have a diminutive lady friend (like a sister to me) that I want to arm with a .410 loaded with 00 or 000 Buck for HD. The small M500 looks promising and easy enough to keep legal.

Paul Harrell did a video covering the use of a .410 for HD and I was surprised at the penetration capabilities of this combo indoors. Tight grouping at those ranges and no recoil.

Jim
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Germansheperd

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3” 000 Buck 5 pellet for .410
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Germansheperd

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Best deal going is Remington 870 Express 20 gauge youth model with wood stock and 21" barrel for $299.95 from Academy Sports. Then Remington had a $50 rebate, that just ended, netting $249.95 plus tax and background check fee if applicable. They also had many 12 gauge models on the rebate program, too. Academy sells many 870 Express for $299.95 every day. Can't beat a 20 ga 21" 870 for home defense - add a mag tube extension, swap the extractor if you feel the need and add a jumbo safety - DONE & GOOD to Go!
this right here.
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Unobtanium

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My m4 sbs gives up very little with low recoil slugs or buck, to an 18.5. About 100fps or so with full power.
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Da SWO

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My m4 sbs gives up very little with low recoil slugs or buck, to an 18.5. About 100fps or so with full power.


14" barrel? or shorter?
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