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lonewolf172

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Hi all. I have a Tristar Raptor ATAC and I'm having a hard time finding a shell carrier that will work. Has anyone tired a forarm shell carrier like the one in the picture? If you have how do you like it? 41KnQ2yjeDL._AC_.jpg 

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Germansheperd

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I think people have watched to many John Wick and Rambo movies.
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lonewolf172

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I think people have watched to many John Wick and Rambo movies.
Maybe but Im trying to find ways of carrying extra shells that I can easily reload  with.
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As pictured, that's a no-go.  I'm basing my comments on being right handed,  and unless you turn your gun over so the loading port faces up, and load like a bunny hunter, having the shells attached to your left arm doesn't work.   Trained defensive shotgunners maintain a firing grip with the shooting hand,  (right hand for me and most) and replace shells with your left hand as you go.   Shoot one, replace it in the mag tube,  shoot two, replace them, etc., so you (almost) never are trying to refill an empty gun.  That can be done from the belt, a shotgun vest, or a sidesaddle, either rigid plastic or velcro cards
A solution I've tried and like better than the rigid plastic sidesaddle, is to attach a velcro strip to the left side of the receiver, so you can put a shell card on with 5 or 6 rounds in it and work from that,  and when it's empty, tear it off and slap another full one on.  (If you're using that many shotgun shells in a real fight, you're in trouble!) That also gives you the option of not having it on when you don't want it on the gun. 
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I use the 4 round version of this product for patrol. It clips quickly to my sam browne near my pistol magazine pouch. It has worked well in training classes and during qualifications.

I have tried side saddles in the past but did not care for them. If I was going to use one the Vang Comp or something similar as described by DWilson would be my choice.

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Depends if you are talking for Competition or just to have a few rounds accessible on a defense gun.   There are multiple options.   One that was available was the below picture but the guy went out of business.  I still have the 3X3 which holds six rounds and the Classic which holds four.    Top quality shell holder and were popular and I have no idea what happened to the Company.  I have sold a lot of them but not lately.   Here is a link https://tacticalgunslings.com/ap-custon-shell-caddy-3x3/   Also on the store is a poor mans option, the Allen Shell Belt.  For less then $6 bucks it works but the elastic will wear out of time but for that price so what.

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lonewolf172

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Decided to go with 2-6 round Esstac Shell cards. Since my Tristar ATAC holds 6 total that gives me 18 rounds for back-up. Plus I also have a 25 round bandolero

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I get the magazine extension and side saddle shell holder(s) if you feel the need for extra rounds of ammunition but to me the extra weight defeats the perceived benefit. A drum style shotgun was marketed years ago that held 25 rounds of 12 ga - it was called the Street Sweeper and was the rage at the time but quickly lost interest as it was just too heavy for constant carry. Recently, the Saiga style box fed shotguns were marketed as high capacity shotguns but the weight and ergonomics with the oversized box magazine weren’t well received either. The military and NATO went to the 5.56/.223 round back in the 60’s to allow the troops to carry more ammunition and also a lighter weapon (M16).
If you’re happy then I’m happy but unless you’re planning on some serious action I agree with J.D. and others that it shouldn’t take more than 3-5 12 gauge rounds to diffuse any situation. Enjoy your build you can always carry any amount of ammunition you desire even 43 (18 + 25 ) rounds.
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I agree that the 3-5 idea IF it's a home type situation but unfortunately I'm a pessimist and I plan for the worse and hope for the best. Not to get political but with current mind set of certain left wing factions in the U.S. things are going to get worse before they get better. The weight of an extra 6 rounds on my Tristar is minimal. And any extra added rounds can be worn on my body. I do however appreciate any and any suggestions and comments. Thanks guys.
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Lonewolf.   No one has ever died due to having to much ammo.  I would rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it.  All my HD Shotguns have side saddles for that reason and if I have to go out and check the shop it is shotgun in my hands and 1911 in my waist band.    Four Chip McCormick Mags live in the console of my vehicle and a double mag holder is on my belt.   If I have to get out that vehicle in to a situation I will grab those.  If 40 rounds of .45ACP are not enough I went to the wrong gun fight with the wrong gun.    Of course the only time I would get involved with something that was not being done against me would be if I was passing an LEO in trouble.  Any thing else I go to my First Response Plan of dial 911 and get the hell out of there.   Let the young guys come deal with it as I have been there done that and now to old.
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lonewolf172

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Hey. Got my order of 3-6 round Esstac Shell cards ordered and being shipped now. Went to Home Depot and got a 4'X2" roll of Velcro and now have it on my receiver. A little off center but it will work. I'm kind of a perfectionist so MAY re-due it.

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FlyBoyTim

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I was going to post this to the general “Defense Shotguns” forum, but thought, why not here? 
I’m working on the proof of concept for this idea. I am one of those that think a shotgun is heavy enough without extra ammo attached to the outside. But, to optionally have extra ammo available on the outside of the gun, can have its place. For example, during times of civil unrest, or in a class or match. Everyone seems to teach to keep the ”shotgun fed”, and to port load when empty. 

To that extent, I thought, “Why not keep the extra ammo on a sling?” That way, if time did not allow, the shotgun would be available without the sling to hang up on anything, and in its lightest configuration. If time allowed, you could don the sling. The gun would remain unencumbered unless you had time and the need to clip the gun into the sling. I chose a single point to make that easy. I’m not marching long distances, so the single point should suffice.

Anyway, the sling is from Hoffner. The shell holder was made from 3/4” flexible PVC pipe. I added the “clips” from the same material and glued them in place. I wanted the shell to dangle down to allow it to be grasped with the thumb above the brass base to have it oriented forward when port loading over the top, or mag loading with the gun either flipped upside down, or remaining right side up. The clip allows the shell to be ripped out rather than have to be pushed or pulled out. I am in contact with Jarod of Invictus Practical for a higher quality solution. 

So far it seems to be working. My times with a 5 X 5 drill are about 35 seconds. Here’s a picture of a sample target, and the holder itself:

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FlyBoyTim

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In case you don’t know:
A 5 X 5 drill goes like this. Target at 10 yards. Load gun with 5 rounds, have six more rounds available. Start timer, shoot the targets top to bottom, left to right. Gun is now empty. Port load each target one at a time in the same sequence. After the final target is hit, port load the 6th round and stop the timer.
I hope with practice to get this down to 30 seconds or less. 
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Tim, not a bad concept.   If the holder is securing the shells enough I would have them upside down so I could pull the pull down and out faster.  Necessity is the Mother of Invention for sure.
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FlyBoyTim

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Thanks JD. My goal was to have the shell pointing forward, in the same direction for loading through the open port. With the shotgun held by the dominant hand, perhaps slightly low, and twisted slightly counterclockwise, the port is pointing at about a 45 degree angle to the right. The shell oriented upside down, would be grasped with the brass next to the pinky finger and pointing backwards. Thus the whole concept of ripping it out instead of pushing it out. 

So far, it seems to hold the shells in place fairly well. I admit that I haven’t tested them in a fight or under vigorous activity.
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