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FlyBoyTim

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Just finished (it’s a short read) this book from Gabe Suarez. Good stuff. 
I also bought his video on Shotgun Gunfighting. 
Having shot and killed at least two bad guys himself, with a shotgun, Gabe is very much a fan of the platform for defense purposes. 

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Azrial

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If we are going to be supporting Suarez I think it fair to point out that he is an ex-cop Felon. He may never have lost his civil rights, or had them restored, but otherwise I have no idea how he handles firearms.

He has been thrown off of boards, he follows the trends, Glocks, AK, Saiga, Sig556, Tac-14, etc. Usually his minions show up first, posting his products, training and videos.

By the way, his new "flavor" is the Wrist braced Tac-14...

Then he suddenly materializes, hawking is products and training, and trying to make a deal with the owner of the board.

Then the problems occur, you can question nothing he says and if you do his groupies gang up on you. They have stalked me around the Internet.

People are free to do what they want, I am a guest here, but I think my opinion is as valid as any.
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FlyBoyTim

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Thanks Azrial, and of course your opinion is just as valid as anyone’s. Thanks for pointing out the background of the author. Here’s what I could find online more specific:

”Former Officer Pleads Guilty to Fraud Charges

By Teresa Rochester

Sept. 27 -- A former Santa Monica police officer has pleaded guilty to Workers Compensation fraud, money laundering and grand theft and will begin serving a year-long jail sentence for the crimes next week.

Gabriel Saurez, a decorated 12-year veteran of the SMPD, will report to Los Angeles County Jail to begin serving his sentence on Monday as part of a plea agreement reached last week in Los Angeles County Criminal Court. Saurez, who recently resigned from the force, also was sentenced to five years probation.

Saurez, his wife Cheryl Saurez and Officer Jason Comer pleaded not guilty in April to charges of conspiracy, Workers Compensation fraud and grand theft. Saurez also faced two additional fraud charges. 

Like her husband, Cheryl Saurez agreed to plea guilty during last Friday's hearing. She was ordered to serve one day in jail and also was sentenced to five years probation.

Comer's charges were dropped in June, and he remains on paid leave pending the conclusion of an administrative investigation, according to Police Chief James T. Butts Jr.

As part of the agreement, the charges of conspiracy against the Suarezes were dismissed, as were the two additional counts of Workers Compensation filed against Gabriel Saurez, said DA spokesperson Sandi Gibbons. 

The Saurezes paid a $100 fine and $112, 250.01 in restitution on Friday, according to Deputy Dist. Atty. Ellen St. John. 

Chief Butts said Saurez's plea was a testament to the "hard work, time and effort that the risk management and our criminal division officers have put into this case.

"The good thing is the City of Santa Monica has received full restitution for all wages that were paid in this fraudulent claim," Butts said. "The jail sentence that was imposed by the judge sent a strong message that this type of misconduct will not be tolerated by the City of Santa Monica,"

Gabriel Suarez allegedly worked as a gun tactics trainer while receiving Workers Compensation for a slip and fall accident in the SMPD's locker room in 1999. Cheryl Suarez allegedly received payments for work done by her husband through a company she never worked for. The dismissed charges against Comer were based on allegations that he received and disbursed money for Saurez. 

The Saurez case stemmed from a long-term investigation of Workers Compensation fraud within the police department launched late last year by the department, the District Attorneys Office and the State Department of Insurance. 

The investigation also has resulted in charges filed against Officer Richard Robert Brulato, who pleaded not guilty in June to two counts of Workers Compensation Fraud. 

Butts said the investigation is "definitely ongoing.

"We have other cases we are actively looking at and investigating. Fortunately at this point those cases are few," said Butts adding that they would be vigorously pursued.”


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FlyBoyTim

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I am certainly not a Suarez “minion/groupie”. For example, he advocates pistol grip stocks, and I don’t. I‘ve never taken a course from him, but I’m also not against doing so. As far as I’m concerned, he has paid for his crimes. I am however, a shotgun minion/groupie. As such, I like to share information on said platform. Most of us, myself included, have a tendency to purchase a home defense firearm and then put it away and not shoot it that much. If, by sharing information like this, that has drills and such that can be practiced, so much more the better, wouldn’t you agree? 

However, if Mr. Suarez’s sins are so pervasive that JD would prefer to take this down, I will certainly support that decision, and understand.
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I am familiar with Gabe Suarez just by the fact that we were in the same "provost" (instructor candidate)  class at Gunsite back in the early 90s.   He was buddies with Dr. "Naish" Piazza (also in that class) at the time, who was just then starting the "Front Sight" endeavor in Nevada.  

The Front Sight, or "Front Site" enterprise is a whole different story of it's own.  Me being a Gunsite veteran,  I wasn't too interested except out of curiosity.   It seemed a little too much like a scam to me, with people being offered home sites to buy on the property, etc.  

Regardless of what I or anyone else thinks of Suarez, or his personality, I look at it this way,  He HAS been in numerous real world gunfights as a street cop in Southern California, and prevailed, with the bad guys dead.  I worked 26 1/2 years in NW Pa.,  and had nowhere near that number of violent armed encounters, and have never killed anyone.   Having said that,  I'm sure some of the incidents I was involved in, turned out without gunfire due to the fact that I learned the lessons others had to teach, about tactics, approaches, etc.  
Gabe Suarez has experience and tactics to teach, and I'm of the opinion that regardless of what I think of him personally,  I will take what I can from his experiences and apply what is appropriate to me and what students I still have influence with.
   
Ex;  Unlike me, He is not a fan of real tight buckshot patterns, and prefers to let the shotgun do what it does best in a fast moving gunfight in the dark, that is:  allow the pattern to work for you and get hits on a running adversary in the dark, where it would be tough to get a single projectile, or a real tight pattern to hit.   (taking the background, beyond the target into consideration of course!)  
I take from him the things that I can use, and also apply to my brand of instruction, and give credit where credit is due.   If you get any shotgun training from me, you'll get a combination of things taught by Bill Jeans, Ken Hackathorn, the late Jack Furr,  Hershel Davis, and Gabe Suarez, and I usually mention where I learned this or that technique (or dirty trick!)  
Don   
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Azrial

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All of this real world gunfight experience that Gabe has, was it during his time with LAPD, or when he was with Special Forces.....
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DWilson

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I detect a little sarcasm.  Ha!   He worked for Santa Monica PD.  I never recall hearing anything about him being in any "special forces".   I'm not sure he could be in the US armed forces.  Depends on the circumstances of his citizenship. (born in Cuba)
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FlyBoyTim

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Thanks Don, I couldn’t have said it as well as you. 
I spent 34 years making teeth in the dental lab industry before switching careers to become a professional pilot. I’ve met and worked with my share of bloated egos, and those from folks whose only claim to fame was the D.D.S. after their name. Some had way larger egos than their talents in dentistry deserved. And in aviation, there tends to be some big, undeserved egos as well. Therefore, I can handle (or tolerate for a limited time) a fairly high level of arrogance from someone that has some unusual credibility. Mr. Suarez has prevailed (if we believe the history) in at least two, perhaps three encounters with bad guys as a cop in Santa Monica. And if the history is credible, WITH AN 870 SHOTGUN. 

Now if Don is offering training, I hope he PM’s me his information. In spite of, and because of, his ability to avoid having to kill someone in the line of duty, I’m interested in taking his shotgun course. Nonetheless, it is the rare bird who has actually prevailed in close quarters combat with a shotgun, and is willing to pass on some of the lessons learned. I am therefore, more than a little bit curious to listen to the occasional Gabe Suarez type, big ego included.

Tim
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D.J. north woods

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D.D.S. to pilot, that's a big bite.
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FlyBoyTim

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D.D.S. to pilot, that's a big bite.”

I was a dental technician, not a dentist, but yes, it was a big bite. I have a friend I met in aviation that has recently gone from oral surgeon to pilot. Now that’s a BIG BITE. The wife usually leaves over that one, because the cut in pay is so huge. Funny how that happens.
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Tim;  That's an interesting change of careers.  Interesting to me because sometime during my police career, one of my fellow officers asked me if I ever thought about going back in the Air Force, as a reservist.  (We had both been USAF Security Police,  me in SE Asia, and him several years earlier, in Germany).   I had not considered it, because I thought reservists and Nat. guard just did meetings and training in their hometown HS gyms, etc.   It turned out that the Air Force reserve (and guard)  had active flying units that were part of the Total Air force when it came to real world deployments.   Ok, so we joined the unit in Pittsburgh, and within a few years I changed jobs from Security Police to Aeromedical Evacuation.  I got into it for the flying, and had to do all the aircrew training, like the Altitude chamber, all the physiological training, water and ground survival, escape and evasion, yadda yadda.   I became a qualified aircrew member on C-130s and at the same time was learning to be an EMT to be able to do the medevac job.   I retired from the police job in 1999, and was free to do as much flying and training as I wanted to.  When 9-11-01 happened, I spent the next 9 years doing about 4-6 months a year deployed overseas, flying medevac either in country, in Iraq and afgoonistan, or in Europe, flying the missions into those downrange countries to bring wounded back up to Germany.   I also got qualified in, first, the C-141, and later in the KC-135 and the C-17 (which eventually replaced the '141).  Also maintained certification on army helicopters to be able to go with them as a flight medic if necessary.   All good things come to an end, and I finally aged myself right out of my retirement job.   So, now I have to amuse myself teaching occasionally, or get sentenced to "home and garden" chores, with occasional trips to harass the grandchildren.  Ha! 
 
( I think you would also enjoy the DVD "Shotgun Operator" with Bill Jeans, available from Panteo productions.  Bill was the Ops Mgr. at Gunsite during the years I was taking and coaching classes there, and then went out on his own as "Morrigan Consulting".  He knows and loves shotguns and how to fight with them. )  
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Lol- Suarez, guns, crime, born in Cuba, corruption, the whole damn thing to me sounds like a dirty Scarface movie.
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FlyBoyTim

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Lol- Suarez, guns, crime, born in Cuba, corruption, the whole damn thing to me sounds like a dirty Scarface movie.”

What do you expect from a site called, “Combat Shotgun”???? 😜👍
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FlyBoyTim

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At Don,
Yours is a great story too. Now that’s an adventure. 
So, if you teach on occasion, is it shotguns? Also, what state are you in?

I will order that DVD. Thanks for the tip.

Tim
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Tim;  I live (most of the time)  in Erie, Pa., right on Lake Erie.  I still do some teaching, mostly in the Pittsburgh area, but I also do some private coaching for individuals.  I teach handguns, (including fighting with revolvers) shotgun, and carbine (AR-15/M-16/M-4) .   I leave the long range rifles for the pros.  There are many people out there who have way more experience and knowledge than I do about long range rifle shooting, sniping, etc.  

 Another option to consider is Randy Cain, of Cumberland Tactics.  He is an excellent (and entertaining) travelling instructor who does classes (usually 2-3 days each) on the road.   He has been an adjunct instructor at Gunsite and travels all over the country teaching classes at your facility.   I have taken "practical rifle" and "revolver" classes from him and enjoyed both very much.   (in the revolver class we even learned how to survive and prevail through a stink bug invasion of "Biblical proportions"!  Think: clouds of stink bugs bouncing off your head, getting behind your glasses, falling into the chambers while reloading, etc. I know I fired more than one stink bug downrange after they crawled into the cylinder while I was reloading.  Randy said he was still cleaning stink bugs out of his vehicle for months!) 
Check out "Cumberland Tactics" online for his training schedule.  He does a lot of pistol classes as well as carbine, and practical rifle, and some shotgun classes.  During the colder months, he frequently does classes at a facility near Lakeland Florida, called "Southern Exposure".
Hope this helps.
Don

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