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Prodigal Son

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Here is a project that I've been working on for the last several weeks. 12 gauge S&W 1000p. It was a little rough when I got it, not to mention the fact that I started with just the stripped receiver.  A little searching here and there and I found the rest of the parts. The cost of the parts was around $95.  Thought that you might like a little Saturday morning gun porn! :-)1000pa.jpg1000pb.jpg
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Looks great, nice job.  I remember S&W shotguns, but never used or handled one.  The agency that I worked for had Ithaca M-37s when I got hired, then later replaced them with Rem. 870s.   I notice that it looks almost identical to the 870,  as far as controls, location of the trigger group pins, magazine cap, etc.   Were they a licensed copy of the 870? 
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The S&W is a fairly close copy of the 870 but it is a bit beefier...slightly larger receiver and internal parts.  They were made in Japan by Howa for S&W.  From what I've read about them they were the first to solve the double feed problem with the shell latches. The shell latches are not leaf springs like on the 870.  You can remove and replace them by punching out one pin.

The goal was to compete with Remington in the LE shotgun market.(they already dominated the LE handgun market)
They never really caught on but they did seem to have a cult following by some. 
My guess is that the S&W 916 Eastfield shotguns were so bad that most were a little "snakebit" with the S&W 1000p and 3000, not to mention that the 870 was a tough competitor.  

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Great, an improved "870".   I've never really had any problems running 870s for several decades, but keep hearing of issues with newer "express" models.  The S&W 1000P might be an interesting addition to my "collection"  (pile?)  of combat shotguns.   I'll have to keep an eye out for one.   Thanks. 
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You are hearing of issues because of the internet.  A guy buys one and has an issue, many caused by the user and he gets on a forum and post it.  The Remington haters pile on the and a rare issue is being passed off as the norm.   The inter-net is a blessing and a curse.

I will take any of the 870 Express HD models out of the box, function check it quickly and go to any close quarters fight I might have to be in.   These people posting Remington issues are dealing with the one gun they got.   I get hundreds and have worked on thousands over the years and the Express is nothing more then a black oxide coated 870 with inexpensive furniture.  

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I wholeheartedly agree with JD - why re-invent the wheel?  The S&W guns have extremely limited access to parts - GPC/Numrich bought all the old S&W inventory and there is only Choate making mag extensions for them.  My logic is to buy weapons of similar caliber and readily available parts ( at reasonable cost) whatever the weapon - be it pistol/rifle or shotgun.  Your S&W is very nice but if the SHTF, I want to be able to get spares easily and there are way too many Remington parts out there already.  I try to keep spare firing pins, extractors, ejectors, etc on hand for all I own.  I also have a very real need to buy American, but that's each individual's choice.  My Father, Grandfather and Uncles all fought overseas and none would buy anything, no matter the cost or difficulty to obtain, from overseas and believe me - it became almost impossible in their later years.  I mean no criticism in any way and kudos to you for bringing a nice pump shotgun back from beyond. Off the soapbox and just my .02.
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I wholeheartedly agree about the access to parts, as they were not easy to find.  It was just a fun project to keep me busy.

I look at it the same way as I look at my antique S&W revolvers...They will never see the light of day for anything other than maybe a few cylinders at the range now and then, but they are fun to restore and cool to look at. 
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Just having them to hold and look at some times is enough.   I have some that see little to no trigger time but just having them is a pleasure.   They are like old friends that I don't get to see very often so I take them out of the safe and wipe them down to show my appreciation of their designs and the people that made them.
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I was camping about 5 years ago and took a break to go to the local gun shop.  Low and behold there was 3 police trade ins.  2 S&W 1000 shotguns.  1 parkerized with speedfeed stock, one wood.  Then a 80's parkerized Wingmaster police.  They were so cheap that I got all 3 and they were all in excellent condition. As said earlier, the S&W's are an 870 with parts that are like 10% bigger so they look beefier.  the problem I have is if I don't get trigger time on something, I eventually sell it off and then get something else that I don't get trigger time on and around it goes.  Nice work above!
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Many of us are afflicted with that.   I was not during my career as ammo was free, then as I rose through the ranks to Chief I simply used my key to enter the Amory and got what I wanted and went to the range.   Problem became when I had to start paying for my own ammo.   Then when I got to where buying it was not a problem ammo got scarce.   Now I have the means and simply don't take enough time to shoot.   I shoot, just not like I did in the past.

I am planning a lot of trigger time next week as my kids are coming up for a week.  So many of the guns will get a work out.  I am also going to plan more time and some night fire as our area is getting to feel less safe these days and I need to stay sharp.

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Pshaw, who cares about spare parts for SHTF!  Just get stuff that uses common ammo and will never break down (he says as he huddles around his .303 SMLE, with his Webley 38/200 break-top securely hanging from his canvas lanyard[tongue]).
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You guys.   I would still be using my Iver Johnson 32/20 if I had not got stupid and sold it 35 years ago.  That was a great little shooter.
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