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Anubis47

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I’m interested in the proper use/techniques of a shotgun for defense. If anyone can suggest some good reading material it would be appreciated.
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I’m interested in the proper use/techniques of a shotgun for defense. If anyone can suggest some good reading material it would be appreciated.


https://www.amazon.com/Defensive-Shotgun-Louis-Awerbuck/dp/0879474122/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=louis+awerbuck&qid=1586289881&sr=8-1



https://www.amazon.com/Stressfire-II-Advanced-Combat-Shotgun/dp/0936279117

Older, basic , timeless
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Anubis47

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Thank you
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I strongly agree on the material available written by Louis Awerbuck (RIP).  

Also, an excellent video is available from Panteo productions, called "Bill Jeans - Shotgun Operator"   I've trained with both these gentleman and am privileged to still count Mr. Jeans among my friends. 
The DVD covers mostly pump shotguns, as those are the preferred favorite of so many.  Mr. Jeans covers the set-up and desired accessories for the fighting shotgun, ammo selection, and types of ammo,  ie;  birdshot, buckshot, slugs, teargas, flares, etc.
He goes into how to properly mount the weapon to your body, how to manipulate it in a fight, including keeping it loaded,  how to sling it, and present it from various sling positions,  He covers transitions to your sidearm from a sling equipped and non-sling equipped shotgun,  and how to use accessories like lights, etc.   
He follows with patterning shot loads at various distances, penetration of different loads, including slugs,  and introduces you to many drills to build your competence and confidence with the shotgun.   
It's the best video I've seen for the average individual on how to employ the pump shotgun in a fight.
I also have DVDs from Magpul and Gabe Suarez on fighting with shotguns but the Bill Jeans video is the one I recommend to shooters who are learning to fight with something they may have been using for "bunny hunting" for decades.  I also watch it again on occasion for refresher purposes.  Available from Panteo productions.  
Good luck!  We expect to hear progress results.   :-)  
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I've trained with both these gentleman and am privileged to still count Mr. Jeans among my friends.  


>DWilson I am envious of you. I never had the opportunity to meet Awerbuck and based on his writings and videos he was an interesting, out of the box instructor. Mr. Jeans reputation speaks for itself; I hope one day to read he is teaching again as it would be well worth the money to learn from him in person.
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Police Shotgun Manual by Bill Clede
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Anubis47

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I strongly agree on the material available written by Louis Awerbuck (RIP).  

Also, an excellent video is available from Panteo productions, called "Bill Jeans - Shotgun Operator"   I've trained with both these gentleman and am privileged to still count Mr. Jeans among my friends. 
The DVD covers mostly pump shotguns, as those are the preferred favorite of so many.  Mr. Jeans covers the set-up and desired accessories for the fighting shotgun, ammo selection, and types of ammo,  ie;  birdshot, buckshot, slugs, teargas, flares, etc.
He goes into how to properly mount the weapon to your body, how to manipulate it in a fight, including keeping it loaded,  how to sling it, and present it from various sling positions,  He covers transitions to your sidearm from a sling equipped and non-sling equipped shotgun,  and how to use accessories like lights, etc.   
He follows with patterning shot loads at various distances, penetration of different loads, including slugs,  and introduces you to many drills to build your competence and confidence with the shotgun.   
It's the best video I've seen for the average individual on how to employ the pump shotgun in a fight.
I also have DVDs from Magpul and Gabe Suarez on fighting with shotguns but the Bill Jeans video is the one I recommend to shooters who are learning to fight with something they may have been using for "bunny hunting" for decades.  I also watch it again on occasion for refresher purposes.  Available from Panteo productions.  
Good luck!  We expect to hear progress results.   :-)  


I appreciate your suggestions and will check it out. I always enjoy learning and prefer to do it properly the first time.
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I'm just reading through Gabriel Suarez's Tactical Shotgun book. Beyond philosophy of use (ie when a shotgun is the right tool for the job, ammo selection, etc.) the book is really about how to properly train the necessary skills so while knowledge is half the battle the other half is doing the drills and following the training progression outlined in the book. I'm curious what LEOs on this forum think of Suarez's work too.
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I'm just reading through Gabriel Suarez's Tactical Shotgun book. Beyond philosophy of use (ie when a shotgun is the right tool for the job, ammo selection, etc.) the book is really about how to properly train the necessary skills so while knowledge is half the battle the other half is doing the drills and following the training progression outlined in the book. I'm curious what LEOs on this forum think of Suarez's work too.


From what I have read Suarez' shotgun methods appear to be well thought out. He subscribes to the older approach of using a shotgun which I believe is still very valid. I have seen several of his videos and it appears he is an interesting instructor who provides training in areas not often covered (Tac 14/Shockwave etc).

Some of his background is questionable but that's 25 plus years ago so I think people should move on from it. If he held a course near me I would attend.
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I've never been too impressed with the stuff Suarez does.  On the other hand, as mentioned Awerbuck is sort of the cream of the crop.  Ayoob's stuff is sort of old school but has stood the test of time.  For video I think it is hard to beat the stuff Clint Smith did at the original Thunder Ranch.  Simple, straightforward and effective.  
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I probably should not put my two cents worth in on this, but here goes. Any decent shotgun training will work for most of us almost all the time. Chances are we will not be going up against any trained operator. What we will most likely be facing, are runof the mill thugs and the like. Old School and common sense will work very well..

There are plenty of videos out there showing what shot size and loads for use in various scenarios. We are blessed on this site because there are many here, like JD that already know this info and are happy to share. Chances are you will only need one or two rounds to do the deed. If you are worried about the current situation, the old standby of a 12 gauge riot gun by Remington or Mossberg is perfect for your needs, and u need add nothing but a light if you desire.

The late Dave McCraken has info still saved online in Memorial sites and those should be read also.

Hope this helps

Jim
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David Armstrong

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Good point, Chainsaw.  When I was teaching classes I tended to present a philosophy I learned from a trainer I worked with who had been with the IDF.  Because they had to teach a wide variety of people and often had to do it very quickly, they taught a few skills that were easy to use and remember, with the idea being "with this you can win against 90% of your opponents."  So a little training does go a long way to put you ahead of the curve.  If you happen to run across someone from that upper echelon group, well, sorry, but you can't prepare for everything.  
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There is a very long thread that has been going for many years (Dave McCraken started it) on shotgun use for defense on that forum JD does not like. (He has good reason, I witnessed why) 
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